Gutierrez Family, Corrales, NM

[jacare1]

Looking for family information on my gf Juan Gutierrez's (1876-1941) father, Manuel Gutierrez.

[femuse]

are you still looking for Manuel Gutierrez ?


Are these are the right ones ?

Manuel Gutierrez born ca 1849, died <1881-1885>
spouse Dolores Martin born ca <1855-1860>


per 1870, 1880 & 1885 census in Corrales

[jacare1]

Yes, thank you. I am trying to verify Manuel's father as Jose Antonio Chavez who married Maria Gutierrez.

[femuse]

am I correct that you are missing a child of Juan & Petrita ?

Ramon Gutierrez b ca 1910, not found in later census

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Manuel's mother Maria Gutierrez:
then, these are not the right ones ?

Year: 1860; Census Place: Corrales, Bernalillo, New Mexico Territory; Roll: M653_712; Page: 123; Family History Library Film: 803712
Post Office: Albuquerque
Dolores Gutierres 28 1832
Manuel Anto Gutierres 12 1848
Bernarda Seal 15

[jacare1]

The information you gave me about Manuel appears to be correct. Also, you verified his mother as Maria Gutierrez, which my records show. Thank you
A family member has told me Manuel's father & Maria Gutierrez's husband was Jose Antonio Chavez. That drew my initial interest. Was Manuel's biological father a Chavez? One theory is that Manuel took his mother''s last name who was married to a Gutierrez previously or perhaps Maria's maiden name Gutierrez? I could not find anything about Maria's parents to check her lineage further back.

[jacare1]

I do have Ramon Gutierrez information. He was born in 1910 and died in 1918. Killed by a horse kick. Thanks

[femuse]

Manuel's mother Maria Gutierrez:
then, these are not the right ones ?

census: 1860 Corrales
Dolores Gutierres 28 1832
Manuel Anto Gutierres 12 1848

I confused the issues here:
<< these are not the right ones >> ? this Manuel with [possible] mother Dolores
I was wondering if this was the right family.

BUT: her name could have been Dolores Maria

AND: it is Manuel Antonio

AND: father is either dead or away

I'll keep looking

[femuse]

census: 1860 Corrales
Dolores Gutierres 28 1832

her name was more than Dolores

[jacare1]

I have Manuel Antonio's mother as Maria de los Delores Gutierrez...and his wife as Maria de los Delores Martinez?

[femuse]

matches this census:
Martin must have originally been Martinez

and

Maria de los Delores "simplified" over time into Maria Dolores/Delores [as sounding more American]


1885 New Mexico Territory Census, Corrales, Bernalillo ; Series: M846; Roll: 1
Felipe Martin 61 head 1824
......
Dolores Martin 25 Daughter 1860 wd
.....
Juan Gutierres 11 1874

[jacare1]

Yes, you are correct. Now if I can just find Manuel's correct father--a Chavez or a Gutierrez.

[femuse]

I am still not sure that this is the same family:

Dolores born 1820 or 1832.
census said she could not read or write: could explain that ?

1850; Census Place: Bernalillo, New Mexico Territory; Roll: M432_467; Page: 5B; Image: 16
Jose Gutierres 48 1802 Male
Dolores Gutierres 30 1820 Female
Manl anton Gutierres 2 1848 Male
Soledad Nestes 34 1816 Female

1860; Census Place: Corrales, Bernalillo, New Mexico Territory; Roll: M653_712; Page: 123; Family History Library Film: 803712
Dolores Gutierres 28 1832 Female Labourer
Manuel Anto Gutierres 12 1848 Male
Bernarda Seal 15 1845 Female

if they are the right people:
Jose Gutierres being older than his wife, could have died <1850-1860>

[femuse]

Do I have something here, or does that confuse the issues ?:

[page 123 & 126 - must me fairly close:]

1860; Census Place: Corrales, Bernalillo, New Mexico Territory; Roll: M653_712; Page: 126; Family History Library Film: 803712
Post Office: Albuquerque
Juan Jose Gutierres 58 1802 New Mexico Labourer
Francisco Gutierres 15 1845 New Mexico